Curse

SOTY731 · Jul 17, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

ok i have a couple questions about scythe mods/inscriptions..
1. in the build im running now for working my way through nf, i use zealous renewal... if i use a zealous scythe mod will that mean that i'll have no need for zealous renewal?
2. i know sundering is pretty useless for a warrior, and i just want to make sure it's the same way for a dervish (i prefer furious for warrior but ill probably use elemental/vampiric for the dervish)
3. i doubt ill ever use a +30 fortitude mod so instead i plan on using 20% enchant or +5 armor for just about everything unless a build requires something different.
thanks...

ZenRgy · Jul 17, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

I use a zealous 15^50 +30 and an elemental 15^50 +30, my energy is fine.

Mournblade · Jul 17, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

I can't help it - I like to be prepared so I keep about 5 scythes on me all the time. (love the extra inv slots from not carrying a shield)

vamp/15^50/30hp
zealous/15ench/20% ench
sund/15^50/30hp
ebon/15ench/+5armor
+ one or two I just have around...

Risa · Jul 17, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Vamp & Zealous to take advantage of the Scythe's AoE, and use a + 20% enchantment mod as more often than not, you'll be bringing along enchants. Hmm, also, 15^50 or 15 While enchanted both work well.

SnipiousMax · Jul 17, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Risa

and use a + 20% enchantment mod as more often than not, you'll be bringing along enchants

Since your E-Mangagement is often tied up in Enchants ending... why would you want to make them last longer? Especially since most Derv enchants have secondary effects when they end.

Str0b0 · Jul 17, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

Since your E-Mangagement is often tied up in Enchants ending... why would you want to make them last longer? Especially since most Derv enchants have secondary effects when they end.

It depends on the build. If you rely on the enchants dropping quickly then no you wouldn't want to but , for example, my EDA build, the majority of my enchants I want to stick around for as long as possible to allow my naturally riobust +4 pips of energy regen to kick in and help out. I'd say the most useful inscription though for a scythe, by far, is Guided by Fate 15% while enchanted, which as a dervish basically means 15% always.

Cebe · Jul 17, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I use a set of 4 which seem to do me just fine:

Weapon set 1: Icy, 15^Enchanted, +30HP
Weapon set 2: Vampiric 5/-1, 15^50, +30HP
Weapon set 3: Ebon, 15^50, 20% Enchantments (used for Ebon Dust Aura builds)
Weapon set 4: Zealous 1/-1, Energy +5, +30HP (Mhedi's Vow)

I don't seem to have a use for any other scythes...I just have a thing for Ornate Scythes, so the top 3 are gold Ornate Scythes

- it's by far the nicest skin.

Please no sundering..

Coloneh · Jul 18, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

zealous = good
vamp = good
elemental = alright
sundering = still crap
+15% mods = great
other inscripts = not so good
fortitude = alright
defense = great
enchanting = super duper

SOTY731 · Jul 18, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

glad to see people hate sundering as much as i do...

pingu666 · Jul 19, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

20% enchants is useful so u dont haveto recast enchantments as much :\

really loathe havingto cast stuff every ~20 seconds or so :\

TheOneMephisto · Jul 19, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Assuming PvE, this set will probably get you through anything you'd need:

Vamp 15>50 enchanting
zealous 15>50 enchanting
ebon 15>50 enchanting
vamp 15>50 fortitude
zealous 15>50 fortitude
ebon 15>50 fortitude

For PvP, sundering on scythes is god though, as getting a sunder crit on a wearying strike is ridiculous damage. For anything PvP-wise, replace the vamp scythes with sundering.

Coloneh · Jul 19, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

eww sundering

6am3 Fana71c · Jul 19, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Wtf, why all the sundering mod hate? Do you realise what is it doing? You have 20% chance that your hit will ignore 20% of your target's armor, so that means every ~5th hit will ignore 20% armor, so it's like you are hitting 60 AL instead of 80 AL. And go to Training Grounds and see the diffrence.

Stormlord Alex · Jul 19, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

Sundering scythes are only of use for PvP, where you can guarantee crits against kiting enemies.

As this is a PvE forum... Vamp all the way. Or zealous if you need the energy, or Ebon for EDA.

Utaku · Jul 19, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Wtf, why all the sundering mod hate? Do you realise what is it doing? You have 20% chance that your hit will ignore 20% of your target's armor, so that means every ~5th hit will ignore 20% armor, so it's like you are hitting 60 AL instead of 80 AL. And go to Training Grounds and see the diffrence.

80 armor -20% = 64 armor
116 armor -20% = 93 armor

Sundering sucks in pve because you can only get the max of it when you crit. What's the point of ignoring 20% of armor if your swing does 15 dmg?
On the other hand, vamp and zealous benefits are the same on every single hit.

PvP is different because you'll crit a lot more cause foes DO kyte.

blue.rellik · Jul 19, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Wtf, why all the sundering mod hate? Do you realise what is it doing? You have 20% chance that your hit will ignore 20% of your target's armor, so that means every ~5th hit will ignore 20% armor, so it's like you are hitting 60 AL instead of 80 AL. And go to Training Grounds and see the diffrence.

20% of 80 is not 20.

Sundering is only good if everything you fight has the armour level of a wurm and was more consistent

But everything does not have the armour level of a wurm and it not consistent. I only use Dwayna's because I had a spare one lying around and can't be bothered getting myself a zealous or vampiric one (but I will eventually)

moko · Jul 19, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

PvE - Vamp, Zealous, Ele, Enchanting - cast - swap health
PvP - Sundering, Zealous, Ele, Enchanting - cast - swap health

Stormlord Alex · Jul 19, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Sundering is only good if everything you fight has the armour level of a wurm and was more consistent

Actually, if everything had such a high armour level, vamp would win all the time.
Armour Penetration in GW actually adds less damage to higher armour levels - there's a post I made somewhere in the Warrior forum, the AP from Strength dealing less damage to higher-level AL targets.

Str0b0 · Jul 19, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Sundering has always given diminishing returns. The further you get into the game and the higher level and AL you encounter the less effective it becomes. While Vamp may only add 5 damage it's consistent armor ignoring damage as opposed to diminishing damage that may or may not even trigger. The 20% chance does not guarantee it will hit every 5th hit no more than you flipping a coin will have heads come up every second flip.

SOTY731 · Jul 19, 2007, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Utaku

PvP is different because you'll crit a lot more cause foes DO kyte.

could you explain this?